My Hammer Does Not Stay Back on 1911 Series 80 Colt
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UNSAFE TO FIRE? Three clicks when cocking hammer.
I just reassembled my Springer GI, and something doesn't seem quite right.
When I manually cock the hammer, there are three clicks. The first one is about 1/16 of the way back. The hammer will stay at this click if released, and it will drop when the trigger is pulled. OK, fine. Just like on the Colt 1991 I used to have.
What bothers me is the second click at about 1/4 of the way back. Like the first click, the hammer will stay at this click, but it will NOT fall when the trigger is pulled. I don't remember this from the Colt, and I don't remember this from before I disassembled the GI.
The third click is fully to the rear. No problem.
I also think that the "click" sounds are louder than they were before disassembly, and have a "tinny" after ring to them.
It could be that I just didn't notice it before, but I have to be sure. I am itching to fire my new toy, I mean self-defense tool. However, until I have answers, I have to assume that this pistol is
** UNSAFE TO FIRE **
HELP!
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rfrizz,
I am hopeful that some Springfield owners will join this discussion soon, and bail us both out. However, I will give you some places to start.
The Springfield 1911 pistols do not use a Series 80 firing pin safety like the current production Colts. Therefore, that first hammer position doesn't seem right to me. (In my dim memory, I recall some discussion on this, but a Search and going back in this forum failed to find the information.)The "tinny" sound, and your impression of the hammer clicks being louder is indicative that when you re-assembled your pistol, something may not have gone in correctly. Have you function-tested your pistol, as well as running a safety check?
The solution may come from one of the more astute members, when they see your thread. If the function and safety checks fail, then I would detail strip the pistol again, refer to the section on the Home Page concerning the detail strip, and try to re-assemble the pistol again. Something's not right, but I can't see the gun, so I am just offering possible explanations.
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There should only be 2 clicks - the fist is the half cock shelf - if the hammer should or would fall from full cocked it would catch the hammer. If in this mode when cocked the hammer will fall when the trigger is pulled. Just a quirk of SA hammers. This is normal for SA pistols.
The second clic should be full cock. There sould be no click between the first and the full cocked.
Did you reasemble the pistol correctly????
"...He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." - Jesus, Luke 22:36
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My loaded functions identical to what you said, aside from the sounds. Check your manual, I know mine described the three positions the hammer can be in and how to get it there when you release the hammer.
- Thank you for confirming that the "middle" click is abnormal. I will re-assemble, and post results. I suspect there is a problem with the sear spring because of the tinny sound.
Originally Posted by Longslide The second clic should be full cock. There sould be no click between the first and the full cocked.
Did you reasemble the pistol correctly????
BTW, I performed the function/safety checks listed here:
http://www.bob-oracle.com/1911function.htmand all steps worked properly. (This is the same info that is on this site.)
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Yep, Springfield started using a new style hammer that now has an extra stop on it.......not sure why.
If it isn't durable, it isn't reliable.
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My SA GI45... Don't Know About My Mil-Spec...
... I've only fired and field stripped and cleaned my GI45 Springer. But, it ALSO has the "three click positions" on its hammer! First click, subtle, not much of a "cocking", but will drop when trigger is pulled, thumb safety off, grip safety engaged. Second click, will NOT drop hammer, same situation. Third click, fully-cocked, functions normally: hammer drops, when trigger pulled, thumb safety off, grip safetly engaged.
Interesting, this "third cocking" position... I'm unloading my Mil-Spec...
Okay, it DOESN'T have the "three cock notches". It's just like my Colts and my Rock Island: that little half-cock and the full-cock positions, no "middle" ground like the GI45.
Weird. There may not be anything wrong with the particular pistol: there's nothing wrong with either my GI or my Mil-Spec, but, until I read this thread, I'd never thought about one of my 1911s having THREE cocking positions. The GI DOES.
???
Mick
NRA Life Member; Gun Owners Of America; TSRA; Texas Concealed Handgun Licensee
"Courage is being scared to death, and saddling up anyway." John Wayne (Marion Robert Morrison), 1907-1979
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Page 11 of the manual:
Safety Stop on Hammer
The Springfield hammer incorporates redundant physical safety stops. These two surfaces of the hammer...It's right there in the manual, and my gun has this feature too, and yes, if I put my hammer in the first position the hammer will release if I pull the trigger.
This may be a newer feature of Springfield 1911's, considering mine behaves in the same way, and from the sound of things your's is also a new gun, I'd say your's is performing exactly as designed. Just because older Springers don't behave this way is in no way indicative of a problem with your gun.
Last edited by KeithLM; 16th June 2007 at 19:48.
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My apology for bad intel. My newest SA is a 2005 black SS - it has the two position trigger (just tested it) so to your post - the three postion is on newer models.
I learned something - thanks! Glad you pistola is OK and good to go!!!
"...He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." - Jesus, Luke 22:36
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16th June 2007,23:58 #10
Sorry for the late reply, but I had to go out & didn't have time after re-assembly. My hammer does have the three positions. The three clicks I reported are normal. As KeithLM said, it is in the manual. D'oh!
Of interest is that the hammer will not drop when in the middle position. Unless the sear
(or the catch) on the hammer cracks, that hammer isn't going to budge. The function/safety check I linked to has something that may be of interest regarding half cocks on military 1911s:Hammer should NOT fall for any reason, unless the gun is a
Series 80 commercial. These guns have a re-designed half-
cock notch that engages near the at-rest position, thus the
hammer cannot fall hard enough to strike the firing pin with
force. MILITARY GUNS WILL ALWAYS USE THE OLDER HALF-
COCK NOTCH, WHICH SHOULD NEVER ALLOW THE HAMMER
TO FALL.I never new this.
My Hammer Does Not Stay Back on 1911 Series 80 Colt
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